Japanese Shoji Paper - PVC laminated?

Well, I'm going to give you your own advice back.

Contact the vendor. They must have some good info.

Post by Swingman
Based on Robotoy's mention, I approached a client about using this, in
http://tatamiroom.com/cgi-local/catalog.pl?category=SHOJI_PAPER-10#4S
She "LOVED it!" picked out the "Shoji Warlon Sheet#5-Extra Strength" on
the above page, and I just ordered it this morning.
Never used the stuff before ... anyone with some experience have an idea
of how best to both cut, and mount, this material in place of glass in a
door?
My first thought is a carbide blade on the table saw?
(Rob, it's your damned fault!) ;)

Swingman

2012-07-07 19:38:54 UTC

Well, I'm going to give you your own advice back.
Contact the vendor. They must have some good info.

What a fucking dickhead remark.

Here smartass, if you can get an answer out of them today, let me know
what they say:

800-636-3138

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Larry Jaques

2012-07-07 21:07:44 UTC

Well, I'm going to give you your own advice back.
Contact the vendor. They must have some good info.

What a fucking dickhead remark.
Here smartass, if you can get an answer out of them today, let me know
800-636-3138

Plonking is much more satisfying than replies, Swingy.
You never again have to put up with their shit.

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Leon

2012-07-08 14:47:06 UTC

Post by Larry Jaques

Well, I'm going to give you your own advice back.
Contact the vendor. They must have some good info.

What a fucking dickhead remark.
Here smartass, if you can get an answer out of them today, let me know
800-636-3138

Plonking is much more satisfying than replies, Swingy.

Maybe for you but some of us, not

tiredofspam

2012-07-07 21:56:39 UTC

Well lets see you ordered it, so it can't be there for a couple of days.

You don't like your own advice.. No surprise.
You act like a freaking prima-dona ... Grow the fuck up , and learn to
control your childish temper.

Well, I'm going to give you your own advice back.
Contact the vendor. They must have some good info.

What a fucking dickhead remark.
Here smartass, if you can get an answer out of them today, let me know
800-636-3138

Swingman

2012-07-07 22:39:05 UTC

Post by tiredofspam
Well lets see you ordered it, so it can't be there for a couple of days.
You don't like your own advice.. No surprise.
You act like a freaking prima-dona ... Grow the fuck up , and learn
to control your childish temper.

Like you control your childish insistence on going against the flow and
top posting, yeah right.

Post by tiredofspam

Well, I'm going to give you your own advice back.

Unlike yours, any advice I proffer is based on experience, and always
has a followup.

You didn't have a fucking clue, yet you didn't let that override your
top posting, smartass mouth.

How did that call go, and just what the fuck do you think the purpose of
this forum is for, eh?

Post by tiredofspam

Post by Swingman
800-636-3138

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2012-07-07 23:53:49 UTC

Post by tiredofspam
Contact the vendor. They must have some good info.

What a fucking dickhead remark.

Having a bad day? That response seems a bit overdone for what he
said :-).

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Swingman

2012-07-08 13:16:33 UTC

Post by Larry Blanchard

Post by tiredofspam
Contact the vendor. They must have some good info.

What a fucking dickhead remark.

Having a bad day? That response seems a bit overdone for what he
said :-).

Only when you leave off the condescending, self-appointed arbiter,
bullshit remark that preceded the above, as you apparently _purposely_ did.

IOW, trying to stir a little shit there, eh Bubba?

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Leon

2012-07-07 20:26:41 UTC

Clueless, BUT it is rice paper reinforced with a silky fiber and rolled
up so I suspect it is not very stiff. I would guess a pair of scissors
may do the trick.

k***@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

2012-07-07 20:36:52 UTC

Clueless, BUT it is rice paper reinforced with a silky fiber and rolled
up so I suspect it is not very stiff. I would guess a pair of scissors
may do the trick.

As far as mounting it, how about wall paper paste on a (primed) piece of luan?
If the paste soaks through the paper, maybe spray-on contact cement? ...or
maybe photographic "dry-mounting paper"?

...or:
http://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Paper-Mounting-Chinese-Painting/dp/B002DOYGKG

Instead of luan, maybe a piece of glass? ;-)

Swingman

2012-07-07 21:13:40 UTC

Clueless, BUT it is rice paper reinforced with a silky fiber and rolled
up so I suspect it is not very stiff. I would guess a pair of scissors
may do the trick.

As far as mounting it, how about wall paper paste on a (primed) piece of luan?
If the paste soaks through the paper, maybe spray-on contact cement? ...or
maybe photographic "dry-mounting paper"?
http://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Paper-Mounting-Chinese-Painting/dp/B002DOYGKG
Instead of luan, maybe a piece of glass? ;-)

It is my understanding that this particular item is in sheet form, not
rolls, is laminated on both sides with clear PVC, and is made to be used in
doors and windows ... at least that is what is stated in the first link
above.

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k***@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

2012-07-07 21:35:12 UTC

Clueless, BUT it is rice paper reinforced with a silky fiber and rolled
up so I suspect it is not very stiff. I would guess a pair of scissors
may do the trick.

As far as mounting it, how about wall paper paste on a (primed) piece of luan?
If the paste soaks through the paper, maybe spray-on contact cement? ...or
maybe photographic "dry-mounting paper"?
http://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Paper-Mounting-Chinese-Painting/dp/B002DOYGKG
Instead of luan, maybe a piece of glass? ;-)

Ah, I see it comes in a 3'x25' roll, 3'x6' laminated sheet, and adhesive
backed. I just saw the first item on the page.

Swingman

2012-07-07 22:00:35 UTC

Clueless, BUT it is rice paper reinforced with a silky fiber and rolled
up so I suspect it is not very stiff. I would guess a pair of scissors
may do the trick.

As far as mounting it, how about wall paper paste on a (primed) piece of luan?
If the paste soaks through the paper, maybe spray-on contact cement? ...or
maybe photographic "dry-mounting paper"?
http://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Paper-Mounting-Chinese-Painting/dp/B002DOYGKG
Instead of luan, maybe a piece of glass? ;-)

Ah, I see it comes in a 3'x25' roll, 3'x6' laminated sheet, and adhesive
backed. I just saw the first item on the page.

Yep ... I'm hoping like hell it is something that can be cut to fit and
mounted, like a sheet plastic, otherwise a call to the Saturday Night
Samurai may be in order. :)

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2012-07-11 23:51:30 UTC

Post by Swingman
Based on Robotoy's mention, I approached a client about using
http://tatamiroom.com/cgi-local/catalog.pl?category=SHOJI_PAPER-10
#4S
She "LOVED it!" picked out the "Shoji Warlon Sheet#5-Extra
Strength" on the above page, and I just ordered it this morning.
Never used the stuff before ... anyone with some experience have
an idea of how best to both cut, and mount, this material in
place of glass in a door?
My first thought is a carbide blade on the table saw?
(Rob, it's your damned fault!) ;)

Clueless, BUT it is rice paper reinforced with a silky fiber and
rolled up so I suspect it is not very stiff. I would guess a pair
of scissors may do the trick.

As far as mounting it, how about wall paper paste on a (primed)
piece of luan? If the paste soaks through the paper, maybe spray-on
contact cement? ...or maybe photographic "dry-mounting paper"?
http://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Paper-Mounting-Chinese-Painting/dp/B0
02DOYGKG
Instead of luan, maybe a piece of glass? ;-)

It is my understanding that this particular item is in sheet form,
not rolls, is laminated on both sides with clear PVC, and is made to
be used in doors and windows ... at least that is what is stated in
the first link above.

Ah, I see it comes in a 3'x25' roll, 3'x6' laminated sheet, and
adhesive backed. I just saw the first item on the page.

Yep ... I'm hoping like hell it is something that can be cut to fit
and mounted, like a sheet plastic, otherwise a call to the Saturday
Night Samurai may be in order. :)

Ahhhh! Belushi at his best! My favorite was "Samurai Tailor".

Swingman

2012-07-12 01:25:33 UTC

Post by Steve

Clueless, BUT it is rice paper reinforced with a silky fiber and
rolled up so I suspect it is not very stiff. I would guess a pair
of scissors may do the trick.

As far as mounting it, how about wall paper paste on a (primed)
piece of luan? If the paste soaks through the paper, maybe spray-on
contact cement? ...or maybe photographic "dry-mounting paper"?
http://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Paper-Mounting-Chinese-Painting/dp/B0
02DOYGKG
Instead of luan, maybe a piece of glass? ;-)

It is my understanding that this particular item is in sheet form,
not rolls, is laminated on both sides with clear PVC, and is made to
be used in doors and windows ... at least that is what is stated in
the first link above.

Ah, I see it comes in a 3'x25' roll, 3'x6' laminated sheet, and
adhesive backed. I just saw the first item on the page.

Yep ... I'm hoping like hell it is something that can be cut to fit
and mounted, like a sheet plastic, otherwise a call to the Saturday
Night Samurai may be in order. :)

Ahhhh! Belushi at his best! My favorite was "Samurai Tailor".

Netflix is your friend ... my favorite is the Joe Cocker duo.

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Swingman

2012-07-08 15:27:24 UTC

Clueless, BUT it is rice paper reinforced with a silky fiber and rolled
up so I suspect it is not very stiff. I would guess a pair of scissors
may do the trick.

As far as mounting it, how about wall paper paste on a (primed) piece of luan?
If the paste soaks through the paper, maybe spray-on contact cement? ...or
maybe photographic "dry-mounting paper"?
http://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Paper-Mounting-Chinese-Painting/dp/B002DOYGKG
Instead of luan, maybe a piece of glass? ;-)

Ah, I see it comes in a 3'x25' roll, 3'x6' laminated sheet, and adhesive
backed. I just saw the first item on the page.

LOL Don't feel bad, you are not the only one ... seems to be epidemic. :)

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k***@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

2012-07-08 15:52:10 UTC

Clueless, BUT it is rice paper reinforced with a silky fiber and rolled
up so I suspect it is not very stiff. I would guess a pair of scissors
may do the trick.

As far as mounting it, how about wall paper paste on a (primed) piece of luan?
If the paste soaks through the paper, maybe spray-on contact cement? ...or
maybe photographic "dry-mounting paper"?
http://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Paper-Mounting-Chinese-Painting/dp/B002DOYGKG
Instead of luan, maybe a piece of glass? ;-)

Ah, I see it comes in a 3'x25' roll, 3'x6' laminated sheet, and adhesive
backed. I just saw the first item on the page.

LOL Don't feel bad, you are not the only one ... seems to be epidemic. :)

;-)

When someone gives a link without a specific pointer (e.g. "third item down")
I generally just read the first.

My other excuse is that I wasn't seeing very well yesterday afternoon. A
migraine was coming on (I don't get pain just an aura and my reading ability
goes to hell) and I went and took a nap. ;-)

Swingman

2012-07-08 16:04:07 UTC

Clueless, BUT it is rice paper reinforced with a silky fiber and rolled
up so I suspect it is not very stiff. I would guess a pair of scissors
may do the trick.

As far as mounting it, how about wall paper paste on a (primed) piece of luan?
If the paste soaks through the paper, maybe spray-on contact cement? ...or
maybe photographic "dry-mounting paper"?
http://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Paper-Mounting-Chinese-Painting/dp/B002DOYGKG
Instead of luan, maybe a piece of glass? ;-)

Ah, I see it comes in a 3'x25' roll, 3'x6' laminated sheet, and adhesive
backed. I just saw the first item on the page.

LOL Don't feel bad, you are not the only one ... seems to be epidemic. :)

;-)
When someone gives a link without a specific pointer (e.g. "third item down")
I generally just read the first.
My other excuse is that I wasn't seeing very well yesterday afternoon. A
migraine was coming on (I don't get pain just an aura and my reading ability
goes to hell) and I went and took a nap. ;-)

Nah, chalk it up to being a poorly designed, confusing page to start
with. Too bad the web designer didn't see fit to have a link to a
separate page for each specific item, but no such luck. That's why I
attempted to provide a "pointer" with the name of the specific product,
in parentheses. :)

Sorry about the migraine ... mine apparently comes gratis with a BP
medication. The older you get the more you can't win for losing, but the
alternative is a bitch. ;)

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k***@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

2012-07-08 20:52:48 UTC

Clueless, BUT it is rice paper reinforced with a silky fiber and rolled
up so I suspect it is not very stiff. I would guess a pair of scissors
may do the trick.

As far as mounting it, how about wall paper paste on a (primed) piece of luan?
If the paste soaks through the paper, maybe spray-on contact cement? ...or
maybe photographic "dry-mounting paper"?
http://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Paper-Mounting-Chinese-Painting/dp/B002DOYGKG
Instead of luan, maybe a piece of glass? ;-)

Ah, I see it comes in a 3'x25' roll, 3'x6' laminated sheet, and adhesive
backed. I just saw the first item on the page.

LOL Don't feel bad, you are not the only one ... seems to be epidemic. :)

;-)
When someone gives a link without a specific pointer (e.g. "third item down")
I generally just read the first.
My other excuse is that I wasn't seeing very well yesterday afternoon. A
migraine was coming on (I don't get pain just an aura and my reading ability
goes to hell) and I went and took a nap. ;-)

It was a valiant attempt. ;-)

Post by Swingman
Sorry about the migraine ... mine apparently comes gratis with a BP
medication. The older you get the more you can't win for losing, but the
alternative is a bitch. ;)

Mine started long before the BP medication. In fact I have no side effects
from the BP medication at all. I take Metoprololto regulate the heart rate
(A-Fib, five years back) and I can tell if I've missed it but the BP stuff I'm
taking does nothing adverse. I was on one that attacked my shoulder joints.
That was no fun. It didn't happen right away so it took me close to a year to
figure out what was causing the problem.

dadiOH

2012-07-08 20:17:37 UTC

Post by k***@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
My other excuse is that I wasn't seeing very well yesterday
afternoon. A migraine was coming on (I don't get pain just an aura
and my reading ability goes to hell) and I went and took a nap. ;-)

You too? Things start shimmering like heat waves on a desert? Scared the
hell out of me the first time I had one.

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2012-07-08 21:14:27 UTC

Post by dadiOH

You too? Things start shimmering like heat waves on a desert? Scared the
hell out of me the first time I had one.

Around a blob or arc. The center is darkish. I can clearly see text there
but the brain can't decode it. Fortunately it rarely lasts more than a ten or
twenty minutes. Like I said, absolutely no pain, just this aura thing - both
eyes (unless it's out of the normal FOV of one), open or shut.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aura_%28symptom%29

There's a pretty good simulation of what I see in here, though it's not
usually this bad. I also don't have any other symptoms before or after. The
migraines seem to come in clusters, though, lasting a few days, maybe a week.
Then they'll go away for months.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/migraine-aura/MM00659/

It was scary the first time (20 years ago, or more) but it's now just another
ho-hum problem. It didn't take me long to figure out that it was a migraine,
rather than an eye problem, though. It's always the same in both eyes and it
doesn't matter if there is actually anything to see. I have mild RA, too,
which is far more debilitating and that isn't really bad (particularly since I
moved to the South ;-).

Yes, getting old is a bitch, but as Swingman noted, it sure beats the only
alternative.

Dave

2012-07-08 12:48:17 UTC

Post by Swingman
It is my understanding that this particular item is in sheet form, not
rolls, is laminated on both sides with clear PVC, and is made to be used in
doors and windows ... at least that is what is stated in the first link
above.

Have you actually handled any? I was always under the impression that
rice paper was extremely delicate. Of course, this type of it might be
reinforced as Leon mentioned.

Swingman

2012-07-08 13:22:27 UTC

Post by Dave

Have you actually handled any? I was always under the impression that
rice paper was extremely delicate. Of course, this type of it might be
reinforced as Leon mentioned.

Actually, it is "reinforced" by being laminated on both sides, with pvc,
as the subject line/original post indicated from the beginning.

(seems like most did not scroll down to the actual product in question
before replying, apparently assuming everything on the linked page was
had the same properties)

Nope, never handled the stuff, again, as I indicated in the first post;
and I certainly expect it to be thin, probably very thin, but still in
"sheet" form.

Most interesting thing so far is Mike M.'s response ... if that is the
nature of the beast, even with both sides laminated, I believe I could
handle that process in the video, with some practice ... unfortunately
there won't be much material to practice with, thus my post asking if
anyone has had any experience with the stuff.

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Dave

2012-07-08 14:44:34 UTC

Post by Swingman
as the subject line/original post indicated from the beginning.
(seems like most did not scroll down to the actual product in question
before replying, apparently assuming everything on the linked page was
had the same properties)
Nope, never handled the stuff, again, as I indicated in the first post;
there won't be much material to practice with, thus my post asking if
anyone has had any experience with the stuff.

You really are in a lousy mood today, more so than normal. Pax

Swingman

2012-07-08 14:57:34 UTC

Post by Dave

You really are in a lousy mood today, more so than normal. Pax

Only if you consider stating of the obvious as being in a lousy mood?

Seems like that points more to yours? :)

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Swingman

2012-07-08 15:42:17 UTC

Clueless, BUT it is rice paper reinforced with a silky fiber and rolled
up so I suspect it is not very stiff. I would guess a pair of scissors
may do the trick.

As far as mounting it, how about wall paper paste on a (primed) piece of luan?
If the paste soaks through the paper, maybe spray-on contact cement? ...or
maybe photographic "dry-mounting paper"?
http://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Paper-Mounting-Chinese-Painting/dp/B002DOYGKG
Instead of luan, maybe a piece of glass? ;-)

Yeah, whatever it is applied has to be opaque to do what the client
wants. I think the adhesive backed paper is what is made for mounting on
glass, not the laminated product which is what I ordered based on what
the client wanted.

Considering the bubbling/air pocket problems I've had with putting a
protective, adhesive backed screen on a smartphone, I hope like hell
that is NOT the only option! :)

But, I'll know when it gets here ... ITMT, it's been an illustrative
post, on many fronts, to say the least. :)

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2012-07-08 20:26:03 UTC

Post by Swingman
Yeah, whatever it is applied has to be opaque to do what the client
wants. I think the adhesive backed paper is what is made for mounting on
glass, not the laminated product which is what I ordered based on what
the client wanted.

Well, if it is laminated and comes in sheet form, you might want to
consider a plastic cutting blade which if I remember correctly would
have a negative hook angle.

Perhaps a solid surface/laminate blade for Leon's TS55 or TS75 might
do the trick.
http://www.festoolusa.com/products/plunge-cut-circular-saws/blades/solid-surface-laminate-48tooth-saw-blade-496309.html

Larry Jaques

2012-07-07 21:06:08 UTC

Cool. Not cheap, is it? I've been eyeing some of the new and
improved shoji papers for some upcoming CNC project ideas.

Post by Swingman
Never used the stuff before ... anyone with some experience have an idea
of how best to both cut, and mount, this material in place of glass in a
door?
My first thought is a carbide blade on the table saw?
(Rob, it's your damned fault!) ;)

How about utility scissors, or the utility knife w/ a new blade? I
guess it depends on how thick, brittle, and tough it is.

If too thick, why didn't you immediately think of your Festool saur?
I need to do a slight cutdown on an opaque acrylic insert panel for a
sunlight in a 30 y/o mobile if I get the carpeting job for its stairs
and porch, and I immediately thought of the Makita plunge saur.

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Swingman

2012-07-07 21:24:57 UTC

Post by Larry Jaques

Cool. Not cheap, is it? I've been eyeing some of the new and
improved shoji papers for some upcoming CNC project ideas.

I'm thinking that $33/door is reasonable. Don't think I can get a boutique
glass for that price?

Post by Larry Jaques
If too thick, why didn't you immediately think of your Festool saur?
I need to do a slight cutdown on an opaque acrylic insert panel for a
sunlight in a 30 y/o mobile if I get the carpeting job for its stairs
and porch, and I immediately thought of the Makita plunge saur.

There's always that. I was hoping it might cut like polycarbonate, which Is
quicker to do on the table saw.

Basically I don't have a clue, and neither did the salesperson I talked to
the other day. Someone in the know was supposed to return my call
yesterday, but no joy there yet.

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2012-07-07 23:05:13 UTC

Post by Larry Jaques

Cool. Not cheap, is it? I've been eyeing some of the new and
improved shoji papers for some upcoming CNC project ideas.

I'm thinking that $33/door is reasonable.

I'm thinking "paper", so $71 for a 3x6' piece seems steep to me.

Post by Swingman
Don't think I can get a boutique glass for that price?

Prolly not.

There's always that. I was hoping it might cut like polycarbonate, which Is
quicker to do on the table saw.

Judging by the application, I'd think it was fairly thin. "Extra
Strength", to a marketer, might mean an extra 0.002" of resin on each
side of a 0.003" paper.

Post by Swingman
Basically I don't have a clue, and neither did the salesperson I talked to
the other day. Someone in the know was supposed to return my call
yesterday, but no joy there yet.

Does it ship in a sheet or rolled? That might be a clue in itself.

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Mike M

2012-07-07 21:17:50 UTC

Maybe this will help.

Mike M

Swingman

2012-07-07 21:34:37 UTC

Maybe this will help.
http://youtu.be/FCzKhfaZehk
Mike M

Interesting .... Thanks!

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Mike M

2012-07-07 23:41:39 UTC

Maybe this will help.
http://youtu.be/FCzKhfaZehk
Mike M

Interesting .... Thanks!

Realized after posting you ordered a laminated version but hopefully
you can find more info there.

Mike M

Swingman

2012-07-08 15:32:44 UTC

Maybe this will help.
http://youtu.be/FCzKhfaZehk
Mike M

Interesting .... Thanks!

Realized after posting you ordered a laminated version but hopefully
you can find more info there.

LOL ... one of the few who did. I appreciate your post. Until I saw the
video I didn't have a clue how any of this Japanese paper was mounted.

Although this might not fall in the same category as in the video, I
won't know until I actually lay hands on it, so any information adds to
my options.

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Larry Jaques

2012-07-07 23:22:56 UTC

On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 14:17:50 -0700, Mike M

Maybe this will help.
http://youtu.be/FCzKhfaZehk

Dayum, when did YouTube start stuffing ads into all their videos?
Where the fark is the "Allow and block ads" tab where I'm supposed to
be able to turn some ads off? Damn you, Google!

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dadiOH

2012-07-08 12:38:01 UTC

Post by Swingman
Based on Robotoy's mention, I approached a client about using this, in
http://tatamiroom.com/cgi-local/catalog.pl?category=SHOJI_PAPER-10#4S
She "LOVED it!" picked out the "Shoji Warlon Sheet#5-Extra Strength"
on the above page, and I just ordered it this morning.
Never used the stuff before ... anyone with some experience have an
idea of how best to both cut, and mount, this material in place of
glass in a door?
My first thought is a carbide blade on the table saw?

I once made a tatami screen with rice paper (non-laminated). Just cut with
scissors or sharp knife and glued to frame. The cutter needs to be sharp
and the edge of paper clamped under something as the paper tends to tear.

Never seen what you have but I think sawing might be too aggressive. How
thick/rigid is it? Tried a knife & straight edge? As far as mounting goes
I'd think putting it in a rabbet and backing up the rabbet with a thin
molding would work if it is reasonably rigid; if not, same thing but staple
in.

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2012-07-08 12:44:22 UTC

Post by dadiOH
I once made a tatami screen with rice paper (non-laminated).

Shoji, not tatami.

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Swingman

2012-07-08 15:18:47 UTC

Post by dadiOH
Never seen what you have but I think sawing might be too aggressive.

Exactly what I was hoping someone who may have had some experience with
the laminated product could provide. :)

Post by dadiOH
How thick/rigid is it? Tried a knife & straight edge?

Don't have it yet. Asked the same question of the salesperson at their
800 number last week; also how to cut, and suggested method of fastening
(silicon, glue, acrylyic adhesive tape, etc), all the usual mounting
methods ... they did not have a clue but "will have someone call me back".

As far as mounting goes

Post by dadiOH
I'd think putting it in a rabbet and backing up the rabbet with a thin
molding would work if it is reasonably rigid; if not, same thing but staple
in.

The doors are already made, with a 1/4" rabbet to mount either glass or
some other sheet material (which this supposedly is), complete with
muntin grille's:

https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopSBJ_Desk201102#5758740773600367218

So, even if I have to cut a non laminated paper, as you mentioned in
your previous post, technique, or lack thereof, will be the deciding
factor ... just trying to get a jump on the process, so queried here also.

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dadiOH

2012-07-08 20:27:17 UTC

Post by dadiOH
Never seen what you have but I think sawing might be too aggressive.

Exactly what I was hoping someone who may have had some experience
with the laminated product could provide. :)

Post by dadiOH
How thick/rigid is it? Tried a knife & straight edge?

Don't have it yet. Asked the same question of the salesperson at their
800 number last week; also how to cut, and suggested method of
fastening (silicon, glue, acrylyic adhesive tape, etc), all the usual
mounting methods ... they did not have a clue but "will have someone
call me back".
As far as mounting goes

Post by dadiOH
I'd think putting it in a rabbet and backing up the rabbet with a
thin molding would work if it is reasonably rigid; if not, same
thing but staple in.

The doors are already made, with a 1/4" rabbet to mount either glass
or some other sheet material (which this supposedly is), complete with
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopSBJ_Desk201102#5758740773600367218
So, even if I have to cut a non laminated paper, as you mentioned in
your previous post, technique, or lack thereof, will be the deciding
factor ... just trying to get a jump on the process, so queried here also.

Even unlaminated rice paper should be good to go with that without any sort
of backing (other than the grill) if glued to both. In your case, I'm
thinking spray adhesive on the rabbet, ditto on grill.

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2012-07-08 23:42:50 UTC

Post by dadiOH

Post by Swingman
Based on Robotoy's mention, I approached a client about using this, in
http://tatamiroom.com/cgi-local/catalog.pl?category=SHOJI_PAPER-10#4S
She "LOVED it!" picked out the "Shoji Warlon Sheet#5-Extra Strength"
on the above page, and I just ordered it this morning.
Never used the stuff before ... anyone with some experience have an
idea of how best to both cut, and mount, this material in place of
glass in a door?
My first thought is a carbide blade on the table saw?

I once made a tatami screen with rice paper (non-laminated). Just cut
with scissors or sharp knife and glued to frame. The cutter needs to be
sharp and the edge of paper clamped under something as the paper tends to
tear.
Never seen what you have but I think sawing might be too aggressive. How
thick/rigid is it? Tried a knife & straight edge? As far as mounting goes
I'd think putting it in a rabbet and backing up the rabbet with a thin
molding would work if it is reasonably rigid; if not, same thing but
staple in.

Yeah, something similar to old wooden window screens, staple it to wood
frame into a rabbet and then cover the staples with a molding.

Swingman

2012-07-10 21:18:56 UTC

For those taking notes:

Got call today from Samurai Shoji San installer:

1. Cut sheet material 1/16" undersize of opening, with fresh sharp
utility knife and using t-Square.

2. Mount to rabbets and muntin grille with any quality, double sided
tape, as needed.

He said you could use silicon (extremely messy), or Warlon Sheet Bond
(available only in Japanese stores), but the double sided tape would
work as well, and have the plus of the owner being able to remove/change
in the future.

We'll soon see if it is as easy as it sounds ...

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Mike M

2012-07-12 00:22:28 UTC

1. Cut sheet material 1/16" undersize of opening, with fresh sharp
utility knife and using t-Square.
2. Mount to rabbets and muntin grille with any quality, double sided
tape, as needed.
He said you could use silicon (extremely messy), or Warlon Sheet Bond
(available only in Japanese stores), but the double sided tape would
work as well, and have the plus of the owner being able to remove/change
in the future.
We'll soon see if it is as easy as it sounds ...

Looks similar to the U-tube video, but the double tape was great
input, gives you better chance to recover if needed. Using the real
sharp razor knife give you the oportunity to just take your time.
Looking forward to seeing the finished project. I like the idea.

Mike M

Swingman

2012-07-12 01:30:00 UTC

Yeah ... and it was watching your video link that made the dialog with
the dude much more productive.

Thanks again!

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Swingman

2012-07-14 17:39:31 UTC

Post by Swingman
1. Cut sheet material 1/16" undersize of opening, with fresh sharp
utility knife and using t-Square.
2. Mount to rabbets and muntin grille with any quality, double sided
tape, as needed.
He said you could use silicon (extremely messy), or Warlon Sheet Bond
(available only in Japanese stores), but the double sided tape would
work as well, and have the plus of the owner being able to remove/change
in the future.

The Laminated Shoji paper arrived yesterday evening via FedEx, rolled up
in a tube.

Mounted it this morning (with assistance from a friend of ours who has a
picture framing shop in the neighborhood), and using double sided tape
as above. Good thing to, because it takes at least four hands of the
"never did this before variety":

https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods#5765078805641652994

Two photos in a row.

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Mike M

2012-07-14 18:24:30 UTC

The Laminated Shoji paper arrived yesterday evening via FedEx, rolled up
in a tube.
Mounted it this morning (with assistance from a friend of ours who has a
picture framing shop in the neighborhood), and using double sided tape
as above. Good thing to, because it takes at least four hands of the
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods#5765078805641652994
Two photos in a row.

Looks really good. I'm assuming using the laminated sheet makes it
easier to install with out any possible wrinkles showing? If you
were doing it solo could you do it like you were doing contact glue
and support it above the tape as you had it so the double tape was
beneath the surface? I really like how the light background makes the
frame pop out.

Mike M

Swingman

2012-07-14 19:48:04 UTC

The Laminated Shoji paper arrived yesterday evening via FedEx, rolled up
in a tube.
Mounted it this morning (with assistance from a friend of ours who has a
picture framing shop in the neighborhood), and using double sided tape
as above. Good thing to, because it takes at least four hands of the
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods#5765078805641652994
Two photos in a row.

You could pretty much use the same technique used for laminating any
substrate, except with this stuff it is better, at least for the
inexperienced, to start at one end and work your way to the other ...
one person holding one end up high, with an arc toward the end where the
application is starting; and the other person guiding and pressing the
material to tape, working toward the high held end ... with only +1/32"
clearance side to side, and top to bottom, the start is critical.

Actually much easier than it sounds, but I would still want four hands
on the job because, even laminated, you would probably ruin the stuff if
you had to start over.

Both sheets were cut to 16 9/16 x 24 3/16, so at roughly $10 linear
foot, including shipping, it cost a tad over $16/door. The 3' x 6' roll
was $66.70 with shipping.

That's very reasonable, IMO ... and I have plenty for two more doors of
the same size left.

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Mike M

2012-07-14 20:40:54 UTC

The Laminated Shoji paper arrived yesterday evening via FedEx, rolled up
in a tube.
Mounted it this morning (with assistance from a friend of ours who has a
picture framing shop in the neighborhood), and using double sided tape
as above. Good thing to, because it takes at least four hands of the
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods#5765078805641652994
Two photos in a row.

You could pretty much use the same technique used for laminating any
substrate, except with this stuff it is better, at least for the
inexperienced, to start at one end and work your way to the other ...
one person holding one end up high, with an arc toward the end where the
application is starting; and the other person guiding and pressing the
material to tape, working toward the high held end ... with only +1/32"
clearance side to side, and top to bottom, the start is critical.
Actually much easier than it sounds, but I would still want four hands
on the job because, even laminated, you would probably ruin the stuff if
you had to start over.
Both sheets were cut to 16 9/16 x 24 3/16, so at roughly $10 linear
foot, including shipping, it cost a tad over $16/door. The 3' x 6' roll
was $66.70 with shipping.
That's very reasonable, IMO ... and I have plenty for two more doors of
the same size left.

Got it, no option to trim later, if you get off your stuck pulling it
up.

Larry Jaques

2012-07-14 22:01:11 UTC