Visio templates for shop layout

Post by Harvey Chute
Hello all,
if anyone is interested in a (free) Visio stencil for designing a
woodworking shop, I have created one and posted it at
http://home.comcast.net/~hchute/woodshop_visio.htm
Thanks for all the design ideas from this discussion group.
- Harvey

Thanks for the template and the link. I'm working on a new shop plan and
your template will be very useful.

LD

igor

2004-06-23 23:25:47 UTC

This is sooo cool. Bravo! I haven't opened it in Visio yet, but your
webpage alone makes me confident it'll work great. I don't even need to do
a new layout for some time but knowing this exists is an inspiration. Well
done.

I've always struggled with Visio -- only got it because a consultant did
flow charts with it and I wanted to be able to edit them One of the
frustrations with it is that it clearly is still designed for a
longstanding installed base going back to V1.0 Commands are not at all
intuitive, IMO. For example: Why are they called "stencils"? IIRC, they
are listed under File, not Edit. Why? Wahts' worse, IMO: If you did not
know they are called stencils, see if you could find anything about such
"thingies" in Help. I couldn't!!! (Of course, there is the
infinitesimally small possibility that it's just me.)

Anyway, again, great job. -- Igor

Lobby Dosser

2004-06-24 00:51:56 UTC

Post by igor

This is sooo cool. Bravo! I haven't opened it in Visio yet, but your
webpage alone makes me confident it'll work great. I don't even need
to do a new layout for some time but knowing this exists is an
inspiration. Well done.
I've always struggled with Visio -- only got it because a consultant
did flow charts with it and I wanted to be able to edit them One of
the frustrations with it is that it clearly is still designed for a
longstanding installed base going back to V1.0 Commands are not at
all intuitive, IMO. For example: Why are they called "stencils"?
If you did not know they are called stencils, see if you could find
anything about such "thingies" in Help. I couldn't!!! (Of course,
there is the infinitesimally small possibility that it's just me.)
Anyway, again, great job. -- Igor

The 'Stencils' thing is because you used to be able to buy plastic
stencils with cut out shapes for flowcharting, drafting, etc. Looked just
like the Visio stencils, including the color. I think they still sell
them in office supply places. IIRC, I saw some at Staples.

LD

igor

2004-06-24 19:19:04 UTC

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:51:56 GMT, Lobby Dosser

Post by Lobby Dosser
The 'Stencils' thing is because you used to be able to buy plastic
stencils with cut out shapes for flowcharting, drafting, etc. Looked just
like the Visio stencils, including the color. I think they still sell
them in office supply places. IIRC, I saw some at Staples.
LD

That makes sense. Just seems to me (rant) that if MS wants new customers
they should consider that people may not get that connection - at least not
retrospectively. FWIW. Again, great job.

Larry Blanchard

2004-06-24 23:30:38 UTC

I've still got some of the flowcharting templates - not only for
computers but for punched card machines - and a "slide rule" for
determining throughput on those old machines :-).

It's fun to notice them occasionally and reflect on how much
things have changed in 50 years :-).

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

igor

2004-06-25 01:36:52 UTC

I've still got some of the flowcharting templates - not only for
computers but for punched card machines - and a "slide rule" for
determining throughput on those old machines :-).
It's fun to notice them occasionally and reflect on how much
things have changed in 50 years :-).

My first remote terminal connected at 150 baud (or was it 75?) and the
memory device was paper tape.

Lobby Dosser

2004-06-25 02:35:43 UTC

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:30:38 -0700, Larry Blanchard

Post by Lobby Dosser
The 'Stencils' thing is because you used to be able to buy plastic
stencils with cut out shapes for flowcharting, drafting, etc.
Looked just like the Visio stencils, including the color. I think
they still sell them in office supply places. IIRC, I saw some at
Staples.

I've still got some of the flowcharting templates - not only for
computers but for punched card machines - and a "slide rule" for
determining throughput on those old machines :-).
It's fun to notice them occasionally and reflect on how much
things have changed in 50 years :-).

My first remote terminal connected at 150 baud (or was it 75?) and the
memory device was paper tape.

You had terminals? I keyed the stuff in on the front panel!

George Shouse

2004-06-25 22:33:05 UTC

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 02:35:43 GMT, Lobby Dosser

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:30:38 -0700, Larry Blanchard

Post by Lobby Dosser
The 'Stencils' thing is because you used to be able to buy plastic
stencils with cut out shapes for flowcharting, drafting, etc.
Looked just like the Visio stencils, including the color. I think
they still sell them in office supply places. IIRC, I saw some at
Staples.

I've still got some of the flowcharting templates - not only for
computers but for punched card machines - and a "slide rule" for
determining throughput on those old machines :-).
It's fun to notice them occasionally and reflect on how much
things have changed in 50 years :-).

My first remote terminal connected at 150 baud (or was it 75?) and the
memory device was paper tape.

You had terminals? I keyed the stuff in on the front panel!

Plugboards....

George Shouse http://www.shouses.com
-----------------------------------------------------
Always a fan of the World Champion Los Angeles Lakers
It must be a Purple and Gold thing.
Thanks for honoring the Original Lakers
http://www.shouses.com
ASBNLL FAQs at http://www.asbnll.com/

Lobby Dosser

2004-06-25 22:38:27 UTC

Post by George Shouse
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 02:35:43 GMT, Lobby Dosser

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:30:38 -0700, Larry Blanchard

Post by Lobby Dosser
The 'Stencils' thing is because you used to be able to buy
plastic stencils with cut out shapes for flowcharting, drafting,
etc. Looked just like the Visio stencils, including the color. I
think they still sell them in office supply places. IIRC, I saw
some at Staples.

I've still got some of the flowcharting templates - not only for
computers but for punched card machines - and a "slide rule" for
determining throughput on those old machines :-).
It's fun to notice them occasionally and reflect on how much
things have changed in 50 years :-).

My first remote terminal connected at 150 baud (or was it 75?) and
the memory device was paper tape.

You had terminals? I keyed the stuff in on the front panel!

Plugboards....

Where you had to jump up and down on the wires to get the board to fit,
or to get that last wire from one corner to the other?

Post by George Shouse
George Shouse http://www.shouses.com
-----------------------------------------------------
Always a fan of the World Champion Los Angeles Lakers
It must be a Purple and Gold thing.
Thanks for honoring the Original Lakers
http://www.shouses.com
ASBNLL FAQs at http://www.asbnll.com/

Larry Blanchard

2004-06-25 23:43:20 UTC

Post by George Shouse
Plugboards....

Where you had to jump up and down on the wires to get the board to fit,
or to get that last wire from one corner to the other?

We once had to wire an IBM407 plugboard to print a list of
missing check numbers. Sort the cardstock checks, run them
through and print the check numbers that weren't there.

I think the boss was joking, but we (myself and one other)
actually managed to get one to work - but only on one
particular machine. It was definitely a thicket of wires - even
after we converted to permanent wires.

Then the CE pulled maintenance and our board didn't work
anymore. We called him back and he said "well, the timing was a
little off". We yelled "put it back!".

For as long as I worked there, the board had a sign that said it
only worked on that machine, and the machine had two signs - one
outside and one inside - that threatened sudden death to any CE
that adjusted the timing :-).

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

Dave Hinz

2004-06-25 02:51:36 UTC

Post by igor
My first remote terminal connected at 150 baud (or was it 75?) and the
memory device was paper tape.

It was most likely 110 baud, same speed as the teletype machines.

Dave "been there, done that" Hinz

igor

2004-06-25 04:12:49 UTC

Post by Dave Hinz

Post by igor
My first remote terminal connected at 150 baud (or was it 75?) and the
memory device was paper tape.

It was most likely 110 baud, same speed as the teletype machines.

That does sound vaguely familiar, but my recollection is that everything
was a multiple of 75 -- 75, 150, 300, 600, 1200, 2400, 4800, 9600. So, I
won't bet on it, but I'm sticking with my first answer, Regis.

Larry Blanchard

2004-06-25 18:07:28 UTC

Post by igor
That does sound vaguely familiar, but my recollection is that everything
was a multiple of 75 -- 75, 150, 300, 600, 1200, 2400, 4800, 9600. So, I
won't bet on it, but I'm sticking with my first answer, Regis.

You're pretty much right, but IIRC there was a 110 baud early
on.

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

Rick Chamberlain

2004-06-25 22:44:38 UTC

You're pretty much right, but IIRC there was a 110 baud early
on.

You mean, "turbo" 75 baud... :-)

--
Regards,

Rick

(Remove the HIGH SPOTS for e-mail)

Robert Bonomi

2004-06-25 16:10:12 UTC

Post by igor

I've still got some of the flowcharting templates - not only for
computers but for punched card machines - and a "slide rule" for
determining throughput on those old machines :-).
It's fun to notice them occasionally and reflect on how much
things have changed in 50 years :-).

My first remote terminal connected at 150 baud (or was it 75?) and the
memory device was paper tape.

If it was a _real_ teletype -- using 5-bit Baudot code -- it may have been
even slower than that. The _fast_ machines, ie. 60WPM ones, were about 50
baud. I don't remember what the nominal baud rate was for a 45WPM TTY.
Relatively late in history came the 100WPM machines, which were nominal 75
baud. Not too long after those were deployed, ASCII began to make major
inroads. It was 'logically' about the same speed -- 110 baud ASCII is
equivalent to 100WPM -- but the advantages of upper/lower case, and the
elimination of LTRS/FIGS shift codes was compelling.

If it was using ASCII, it was probably 110 baud. 10CPS. About the only
things that ran at 150 baud were some early 'daisy-wheel' based terminals,
and Selectric(TM)-typewriter based units. Selectric hardware maxed out at
150WPM (150 baud); most daisy-wheels were good to 30CPS.

I take that back, a Frieden Flex-o-writer may have been good to 150 baud.
Those were _great_ fun to play with, particularly if you had the unit
with *dual* paper-tape readers, including the random-access 'search' function
on the second tape drive.

Larry Blanchard

2004-06-25 18:11:32 UTC

In article

Post by Robert Bonomi
I take that back, a Frieden Flex-o-writer may have been good to 150 baud.
Those were _great_ fun to play with, particularly if you had the unit
with *dual* paper-tape readers, including the random-access 'search' function
on the second tape drive.

We had one of those (w/o the search) as a console to a Readix
computer. It used to freeze up, but if you lifted it an inch or
two and dropped it, it started right back up. Considering that
the computer power supply had an "X" marked on the side where we
had to kick to free a stuck relay, the Flexowritr fit right in
:-).

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

Larry Blanchard

2004-06-25 18:08:30 UTC

Post by igor
My first remote terminal connected at 150 baud (or was it 75?) and the
memory device was paper tape.

But did the paper tape punch use ghost code? And can you still
wind a "bow tie"?

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

igor

2004-06-25 19:41:42 UTC

Post by igor
My first remote terminal connected at 150 baud (or was it 75?) and the
memory device was paper tape.

But did the paper tape punch use ghost code? And can you still
wind a "bow tie"?

You got me on those.

Larry Blanchard

2004-06-25 23:49:42 UTC

Post by igor

Post by Larry Blanchard
But did the paper tape punch use ghost code? And can you still
wind a "bow tie"?

You got me on those.

When you ran paper tape in via an ASR33 teletype, it printed
everything on the tape. Since this was usually binary programs,
you got a lot of junk printed, and a hole in the right hand
position unless you manually returned the carriage ever so
often. "Ghost code" tape only used 4 of the 8 positions and so
didn't print anything. Of course it cut the speed in half too
:-).

When paper tape came out of the punch, you grabbed the beginning
and wound the tape around your fingers in a figure 8 pattern.
The result looked like a bow tie. The reason we did it that way
was that you could then feed it into the reader and it neatly
unwound from the center of the bow tie.

The alternate was to spool it all into a wastebasket and wind it
up when it was done so the beginning was on the outside. But
then you had to mount it on an axle to feed it without twisting.

It's amazing what useless data our brains retain :-).

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

Lobby Dosser

2004-06-25 02:34:13 UTC

Post by igor
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:51:56 GMT, Lobby Dosser

Post by Lobby Dosser
The 'Stencils' thing is because you used to be able to buy plastic
stencils with cut out shapes for flowcharting, drafting, etc. Looked
just like the Visio stencils, including the color. I think they still
sell them in office supply places. IIRC, I saw some at Staples.
LD

That makes sense. Just seems to me (rant) that if MS wants new
customers they should consider that people may not get that connection
- at least not retrospectively. FWIW. Again, great job.

In the beginning ... Visio was not a MS product. I bought a version 1.0
waay back when and stopped upgrading after the Borg bought them out. Gotta
admit that stencils were never all that intuitive, especially if you'd
never used the real ones.

J. Clarke

2004-06-25 11:26:00 UTC

Post by igor
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:51:56 GMT, Lobby Dosser

Post by Lobby Dosser
The 'Stencils' thing is because you used to be able to buy plastic
stencils with cut out shapes for flowcharting, drafting, etc. Looked
just like the Visio stencils, including the color. I think they still
sell them in office supply places. IIRC, I saw some at Staples.
LD

That makes sense. Just seems to me (rant) that if MS wants new
customers they should consider that people may not get that connection
- at least not retrospectively. FWIW. Again, great job.

In the beginning ... Visio was not a MS product.

FWIW, Intellicad (DAGS) was originally a Visio product. The fact that
Microsoft spun it off to an industry consortium that was for a while
providing it as freeware would tend to indicate that whatever else they're
interested in, Microsoft doesn't want to do CAD. Personally I kind of wish
they'd gone after it--Autodesk _needs_ a serious competitor with the
resources and marketing savvy to threaten their position. And the world
needs a decent hundred buck CAD program with a large enough installed base
to attract third-party development.

Post by Lobby Dosser
I bought a version 1.0
waay back when and stopped upgrading after the Borg bought them out. Gotta
admit that stencils were never all that intuitive, especially if you'd
never used the real ones.

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Andy Dingley

2004-06-25 09:50:32 UTC

Post by igor
Why are they called "stencils"?

Damn, I feel old.... 8-(

BTW - If we're doing retro-computing, the inventor of ASCII died this week
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/24/bemer_dead_at84/
http://www.bobbemer.com/AWARD.HTM

RKON

2004-06-23 23:53:13 UTC

Nice Job Harvey !!! I love Visio for its simplicity.

Rich

B a r r y

2004-06-24 00:43:56 UTC

Nice!

Thanks for making them available to us. I plan to use them.

Barry

Lowell Kinzer

2004-06-24 00:55:57 UTC

Thank you for sharing your work with us!

Cheers,

Lowell Kinzer
***@acm.org

Brikp

2004-06-24 13:54:50 UTC

Thanks Harvey - I have squirreled these files away until I move and start
building a proper shop.

Morris Dovey

2004-06-24 15:21:12 UTC

Post by Harvey Chute
if anyone is interested in a (free) Visio stencil for
designing a woodworking shop, I have created one and posted it
at http://home.comcast.net/~hchute/woodshop_visio.htm
Thanks for all the design ideas from this discussion group.

Harvey...

Thank you!

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA

Nova

2004-06-25 00:37:48 UTC

Hi Harvey,

I've tried opening both the template and the stencil in Visio
2003 and get a message saying they are not a Visio file or they are
corrupted. I've tried downloading them a second time and get the same
error.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

Lobby Dosser

2004-06-25 02:40:36 UTC

Hi Harvey,
I've tried opening both the template and the stencil in Visio
2003 and get a message saying they are not a Visio file or they are
corrupted. I've tried downloading them a second time and get the same
error.

Sigh! I hadn't tried yet, but now discover they were created with a newer
version of Visio and my version (4.5 Professional) refuses to open them.
Perhaps you are seeing the same problem.

Still a really cool idea.

Harvey, if you're reading, can you save for older versions of Visio?

Post by Nova
--
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Buffalo, NY - USA
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Harvey Chute

2004-06-25 03:27:18 UTC

Arrgh! I will look into that and see if I can save them so they're
compatible with other versions! I'm running Visio2000 Standard Edition, so
it surprises me that later versions wouldn't read it - - but I'll look into
it and post my findings here. Thanks for letting me know.
- Harvey

Hi Harvey,
I've tried opening both the template and the stencil in Visio
2003 and get a message saying they are not a Visio file or they are
corrupted. I've tried downloading them a second time and get the same
error.

Sigh! I hadn't tried yet, but now discover they were created with a newer
version of Visio and my version (4.5 Professional) refuses to open them.
Perhaps you are seeing the same problem.
Still a really cool idea.
Harvey, if you're reading, can you save for older versions of Visio?

Post by Nova
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

igor

2004-06-25 04:18:43 UTC

Post by Harvey Chute
Arrgh! I will look into that and see if I can save them so they're
compatible with other versions! I'm running Visio2000 Standard Edition, so
it surprises me that later versions wouldn't read it - - but I'll look into
it and post my findings here. Thanks for letting me know.
- Harvey

I don't know about the Visio install, but on many MS aps there are install
options as to whether you want to include code needed to read earlier
versions (and verisons created by other aps). e.g., when you install Word
2000, do you want to be able to read Word 95 or WordPerfect for DOS?

If my hunch on this is right, if you have a later v of Visio and it won't
read a file, you *might* try going to add-remove programs, put the Visio
CD-Rom in, (double) click on Visio in the list of already installed
programs, and you'll get asked it you want to add new features... Just a
thought.

Harvey Chute

2004-06-25 05:38:19 UTC

Thank you, that's a good idea and one that I hadn't considered.
I tried that out, and unfortunately it doesn't appear to be an install
option on my Visio 2000 install CD.
However, I was able to save the templates in both Visio 2000 and Visio 5
versions, which should help with some of the compatibility issues.

Post by igor
I don't know about the Visio install, but on many MS aps there are install
options as to whether you want to include code needed to read earlier
versions (and verisons created by other aps). e.g., when you install Word
2000, do you want to be able to read Word 95 or WordPerfect for DOS?
If my hunch on this is right, if you have a later v of Visio and it won't
read a file, you *might* try going to add-remove programs, put the Visio
CD-Rom in, (double) click on Visio in the list of already installed
programs, and you'll get asked it you want to add new features... Just a
thought.

Harvey Chute

2004-06-25 05:08:00 UTC

The updated website (http://home.comcast.net/~hchute/woodshop_visio.htm)
contains versions of the template and stencils for Visio 2000 and for Visio
5.
Hopefully the Visio5 version will work for you in Visio 4.5..?? It may be
worth a try in Visio 2003 as well - - although from some research I've done,
there are numerous file compatibility issues across Visio versions.
I'll keep checking into it, and in the meantime if you could let me know if
those updated files work in your versions of Visio, I would much appreciate
it...
Thanks all, and sorry for the frustration.
- Harvey

Hi Harvey,
I've tried opening both the template and the stencil in Visio
2003 and get a message saying they are not a Visio file or they are
corrupted. I've tried downloading them a second time and get the same
error.

Sigh! I hadn't tried yet, but now discover they were created with a newer
version of Visio and my version (4.5 Professional) refuses to open them.
Perhaps you are seeing the same problem.
Still a really cool idea.
Harvey, if you're reading, can you save for older versions of Visio?

Post by Nova
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Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

Lobby Dosser

2004-06-25 07:25:34 UTC

Post by Harvey Chute
The updated website
(http://home.comcast.net/~hchute/woodshop_visio.htm) contains versions
of the template and stencils for Visio 2000 and for Visio 5.
Hopefully the Visio5 version will work for you in Visio 4.5..?? It may
be worth a try in Visio 2003 as well - - although from some research
I've done, there are numerous file compatibility issues across Visio
versions. I'll keep checking into it, and in the meantime if you could
let me know if those updated files work in your versions of Visio, I
would much appreciate it...
Thanks all, and sorry for the frustration.
- Harvey

Thanks for trying, but the 5.0 version does not work with 4.5. I'll do some
digging at Visio in the am and will post if I come up with anything
interesting.

LD

snip

Nova

2004-06-25 20:30:56 UTC

Post by Harvey Chute
The updated website (http://home.comcast.net/~hchute/woodshop_visio.htm)
contains versions of the template and stencils for Visio 2000 and for Visio
5.
Hopefully the Visio5 version will work for you in Visio 4.5..?? It may be
worth a try in Visio 2003 as well - - although from some research I've done,
there are numerous file compatibility issues across Visio versions.
I'll keep checking into it, and in the meantime if you could let me know if
those updated files work in your versions of Visio, I would much appreciate
it...
Thanks all, and sorry for the frustration.
- Harvey

Thanks Harvey. The problem I was having was on my end. I was using Netscape
4.79 when I downloaded the files. For some reason they weren't being downloaded
properly. I downloaded the files again using the Internet Explorer 6 and both
the Visio 2000 and Visio 5.0 files work in Visio 2003. I have no idea why
Netscape was causing a download problem???

I appreciate your time and effort.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

2004-06-25 05:14:00 UTC

Visio 2002 Pro opens them just fine.

Hi Harvey,
I've tried opening both the template and the stencil in Visio
2003 and get a message saying they are not a Visio file or they are
corrupted. I've tried downloading them a second time and get the same
error.

Sigh! I hadn't tried yet, but now discover they were created with a newer
version of Visio and my version (4.5 Professional) refuses to open them.
Perhaps you are seeing the same problem.
Still a really cool idea.
Harvey, if you're reading, can you save for older versions of Visio?

Post by Nova
--
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Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

Lobby Dosser

2004-06-25 07:15:59 UTC

Post by Harvey Chute
Arrgh! I will look into that and see if I can save them so they're
compatible with other versions! I'm running Visio2000 Standard
Edition, so it surprises me that later versions wouldn't read it - -
but I'll look into it and post my findings here. Thanks for letting me
know. - Harvey

Thanks Harvey. BTW, my version is Earlier than yours, not later - 4.5.

I very much appreciate your efforts on this and sharing them with the
group.

LD

Post by Harvey Chute

Hi Harvey,
I've tried opening both the template and the stencil in Visio
2003 and get a message saying they are not a Visio file or they are
corrupted. I've tried downloading them a second time and get the
same error.

Sigh! I hadn't tried yet, but now discover they were created with a
newer version of Visio and my version (4.5 Professional) refuses to
open them. Perhaps you are seeing the same problem.
Still a really cool idea.
Harvey, if you're reading, can you save for older versions of Visio?

Post by Nova
--
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Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

Harvey Chute

2004-06-25 20:40:56 UTC

I did some online research on making Visio stencils compatible with Visio
4.*, and it seems the product does not support making versions of files
readable by Visio versions prior to Visio 5.

I contacted a Visio MVP about it, and he confirmed that. I believe the only
recourse I would have would be to find and install a version of Visio 4, and
recreate the stencil - - uugh.

If a better solution comes up I will let you know.

- Harvey

Hi Harvey,
I've tried opening both the template and the stencil in Visio
2003 and get a message saying they are not a Visio file or they are
corrupted. I've tried downloading them a second time and get the same
error.

Sigh! I hadn't tried yet, but now discover they were created with a newer
version of Visio and my version (4.5 Professional) refuses to open them.
Perhaps you are seeing the same problem.
Still a really cool idea.
Harvey, if you're reading, can you save for older versions of Visio?

Post by Nova
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

Lobby Dosser

2004-06-25 21:23:02 UTC

"Harvey Chute" <***@comcast.net> wrote in news:gMGdnSDbtLlGEEHdRVn-***@comcast.com:

Thanks Harvey. I really appreciate all the effort you've put into this.
Maybe it's time for me to upgrade.

LD

Post by Harvey Chute
I did some online research on making Visio stencils compatible with
Visio 4.*, and it seems the product does not support making versions
of files readable by Visio versions prior to Visio 5.
I contacted a Visio MVP about it, and he confirmed that. I believe the
only recourse I would have would be to find and install a version of
Visio 4, and recreate the stencil - - uugh.
If a better solution comes up I will let you know.
- Harvey

snip

Harvey Chute

2004-06-25 20:36:07 UTC

Jack,
From the online research I've done, Visio 2000 files (including stencils
and templates) should be directly readable by Visio 2003.
I've had several people tell me that they *were* able to open the stencil
and template in Visio 2003. Unfortunately I don't have Visio 2003 to play
with it directly.
Can you tell me if you're using the Professional or the Standard version of
Visio? I don't know if that has anything to do with it, just looking for
clues.
- Harvey

Hi Harvey,
I've tried opening both the template and the stencil in Visio
2003 and get a message saying they are not a Visio file or they are
corrupted. I've tried downloading them a second time and get the same
error.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
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oldsalt

2004-06-25 04:13:55 UTC